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|Friday, July 13th, 2012|
My first post in this community - my first WR collage.
|Sunday, January 24th, 2010|
|Sunday, December 6th, 2009|
|Sunday, November 22nd, 2009|
My name is Charlie and I've recently become interested in The White Rose after watching the German film 'Sophie Scholl: Die Letzten Tage' last year (I've since bought it on DVD ;) ). I've always had an interest in the Second World War, particularly Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, but I never knew to what extent people resisted against the Nazis. I think what else has attracted me to The White Rose is that Sophie and Hans are around my age (I'm 21) and so I'm amazed that they had the courage to speak out. I was also amazed after watching the film how quickly time past between their arrest and their execution - I didn't expect the guillotien to be used then either, or to see the executioners dressed in top hats which made the situation seem even more twisted and horrifying.
I'm currently reading the book 'Sophie Scholl and the White Rose' by Annette Dumbach and Jud Newborn which is really interesting. I hope to read the newly released 'Sophie Scholl: The woman who defied Hitler' book soon too.
I am surprised though how little information about the White Rose I can find on the internet. I only found this website through looking at a list of 'white rose leaflet' sites on google. I can't seem to find many high quality photographs of Sophie, Hans, Alex, Willie and Christoph eaither. I have seen what I presume is the last photograph of sophie on this website - http://www.sophieschollmovie.com/
(It looks like her prison photograph) and I think there is one of Hans too. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else. Does anyone know where I can find photos of them all on the internet?
Charlie Current Mood: curious
|Friday, July 13th, 2007|
Hallo! I recently saw the film Sophie Scholl: The Final Days after doing a google search for German films. I took 4 semesters of German in college and want to go back to learning it again, so I thought I'd check out some German films to help me. I got it from my library and watched it last night. I loved it. :) The most shocking part was the ending because I had no idea that the Nazi's used guillotines. I was fully prepared for a hanging scene so when she walked into the room and the showed that, my mouth dropped open. What a brave group they were!
I was happy to find this group. :)
One of my favorite historical subjects has always been the heroes and heroines of the Holocaust. I find it inspiring to read about those who took a stand for what was right even if it meant death. Corrie Ten Boom has been one of my all time favorite heroines but now, I'm going to have to add Sophie Scholl to that list as well as the others involved with the White Rose.
I'm not that great at making icons, but I did make one for the White Rose which I'd like to share and anyone can have it if they'd like. I'm going to go back now and make another one, only this time in German.
Okay, I made two more icons: one in German and one animated with both the English and German. If I screwed up the German, please let me know! Thanks!
|Thursday, September 21st, 2006|
|Saturday, September 2nd, 2006|
At Borders, I noticed a book called Sophie Scholl and the White Rose
by Jud Newborn and Annette Dumbach. After flipping through it and reading several passages, I realized that the book was originally called Shattering the German Night: The Story of the White Rose
. The book was out of print for many years. The back of the book mentioned the German film that came out last year, so I am assuming the publishers re-issued the book and changed the title to capitalize on the film's publicity.
It doesn't appear that any new material or information has been added. However, this edition did have more (and better quality) pictures than my old edition, so I'll probably pick it up at some point. It is one of the best books about The White Rose. Despite the implication behind the title change, the book actually spends more time discussing other members of the WR, outside of the usual focus on the Scholls. Current Mood: sleepy
|Thursday, February 23rd, 2006|
Sophie Scholl - The Final Days
Apparently, tomorrow is the day in which "Sophie Scholl - The Final Days" will open in New York City and Los Angeles. :) Hopefully, this means that there will be a US DVD release at some point. :) (I already have the DVD, but it's completely in German, and the number of people I know in the US with that level of German is very few.)
Also, as was posted, yesterday was the anniversary of the deaths of Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst. May all the members of the White Rose be remembered for their courage!
White Rose Anniversary
Hi, I just found this group. I posted this on my journal yesterday and I thought I should post it here too.
63 years ago today, Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst, members of the resitance movement The White Rose
were murdered after a show trial for distributing leaflets attacking the Nazi regime and calling for passive resitance from the German people.
9 May 1921 - 22 February 1943
22 September 1918 - 22 February 1943
6 November 1919 - 22 February 1943
Es lebe die Freiheit!
|Tuesday, January 31st, 2006|
|Saturday, October 8th, 2005|
Fr. von Galen's sermons were definitely an influence that spurred the White Rose into action. Before the WR fliers, people copied down his sermons and distributed them all over Germany. Hans Hirzel was one of the people who did this. For more on Fr. von Galen
|Saturday, October 1st, 2005|
Willi Graf book list
This may not be complete, but here is a list of books that Willi Graf put in his diary that he was reading in the period between June 1942 and February 1943.
Walter Bauer - "Die Zweite Mutter"
Joseph von Eichendorff - "Erlebtes", "Ahnung und Gegenwart"
William Shakespeare - "Wie es euch gefällt" (As You Like It), "Was ihr wollt" (Twelfth Night), "Viel Lärm um nichts" (Much Ado About Nothing), "Die lustigen Weiber von Windsor" (The Merry Wives of Windsor)
Rhaban Liertz - "Psychonerosen"
Francis Jammes- "Der Roman der drei Mädchen"
Paul Claudel - "Seidenschuh" (LE SOULIER DE SATIN, The Satin Slipper)
Richard Benz - "Lösung und Bindung"
Thorton Wilder - "Die Brücke von St. Luis Rey" (The Bridge of San Luis Rey)
Adelbert Stifter - "Der Nachsommer", "Der Hochwald", "Die 3 Schmiede ihrer Schicksals", "Der Waldstieg", "Der Beschriebene Tännling"
Klaus Erich Boerner - "Gefährtin meines Sommers"
Fyodor Dostoyevsky - "Schuld und Sühne" (Crime and Punishment), "Christbaum und Hochzeit" (The Christmas Tree and a Wedding), "Der Ehrliche Dieb" (The Honest Thief), "Helle Nächte" (White Nights)
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson - "Arne"
Wilhelm Raabe - "Der Hungerpastor"
Horst Wilhelm Geissler - "Der liebe Augustin"
Nikolai Gogol - "Die Nase" (The Nose), "Betrachtungen über die Göttliche Liturgie" (Reflections on the Divine Liturgy)
Ernst Jünger - "Gärten und Straßen"
Cervantes (Michael Brink) - "Don Quichotte" (Don Quixote)
Leo Tolstoy - "Der Gefangene im Kaukusus" (Prisoner in the Caucauses), "Die Beiden Alten" (Two old men)
Josef Pieper - "Über das christliche Menschenbild"
Alexander Pushkin - "Der Schneesturm", "Der Schuß", "Der Posthalter", "Der Sargmacher", Das Fräulein als Bäuerin"
Mentioned, but no specific book...
I tried to provide the English titles (along with the original titles) where I could, but this wasn't always possible. Furthermore, I'm familiar enough with Dostoyevsky to know what the English and the German titles are, even if they aren't the same ("Schuld und Sühne" translates to "Guilt and Atonement", not "Crime and Punishment", for example), but, unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the Pushkin to guess what they may be called in English.
One of the things that has always impressed me about the WR is how well-read they all were. It's amazing looking at this that this is a list from about 8 months or so. Sure, there are quite a few short stories, but even so, I don't think that any of this is really easy reading (at least in today's sense of the word).
|Monday, September 26th, 2005|
Sophie Scholl - Die Letzte Tage - 2 interviews
I'm happy - I got the film "Sophie Scholl - Die Letzte Tage" in the mail today. :) I didn't have time to watch the film yet. (Well, I did, but I want to be able to enjoy it, so I'll watch it after work, not before). However, I did watch a couple of the interviews.
I must say, I loved watching what Anneliese Knoop-Graf (Willi Graf's sister) had to say. She's a charming and engaging woman. Sometimes she'd just lean forward in answering the questions. Mainly, she talked about Sophie (of course, the movie is focused on Sophie) but in talking about the others, it was as if some ray of light just fell on the people as they were. She mentioned Alexander Schmorell, how, in Russian fashion, he spoke with a deep voice (knowing enough Russians, I know what she was talking about! It made me grin!) She talked about her brother, too. She said that when she heard of the arrests, although she knew nothing of the White Rose, she had this feeling that it was Hans and Sophie who had been arrested. She said that she spent that day in fear, because she felt that if it were Hans and Sophie who had been arrested, her brother was probably involved as well. She said she didn't know, but she hadn't asked, either, because she didn't want to know. She said that Willi was a very quiet person, and he was good at keeping quiet, and so he didn't say anything to her. Maybe it sounds silly, but it just seems so beautiful to be let in on some aspect of these people... She said when the two of them were arrested, they sat in the back of the Gestapo car, and Willi took ahold of her hand... I can just picture it.
I also watched the interview with Elisabeth Hartnagel (the last surviving Scholl sibling). It was interesting, but she wasn't nearly as captivating as Anneliese Knoop-Graf. She knew Sophie and Hans much better, of course, but still.. (However, it sounded as though she may have had a cold or something, so that could also be a factor.)
Also, the website of the film is http://www.sophiescholl-derfilm.de
, though it is only in German.
|Saturday, September 10th, 2005|
New member here
I just wanted to pop in and say hello! My name is Gina and I'm a university student in Chicago. I first learned about the White Rose when I was in elementary school from a book at my synagogue's library and have been fascinated with them ever since.
I've picked up a lot of the books in English about them or that mention them and also got some of Ruth Sachs' book/binder thingys. The information she has put together is very interesting, especially the interrogation transcripts that she translated, but she comes off as very unprofessional in her books by throwing in a lot of first-person musings in the middle of her research. What are people saying about her work? I'm sure it raised quite the uproar when it first came out!
Anyway, it's great to finally find a community dedicated to the White Rose!
|Thursday, August 18th, 2005|
I just joined the group and figured I'd say hi.
I first heard about the white rose a few years ago, but only recently began to read about them after buying a copy of Inge Scholl's book. I looked around my university's library for some more information about them and found a few books about German resistance to the third reich in general and one book about the weisse rose called Shattering the German night : the story of the White Rose
by Annette E. Dumbach and Jud Newborn. I haven't read it yet, but it's in my plans. I also found a book with articles about differernt German anti-nazi resistance and there was an article about the weisse rose that was pretty interesting. So I'm pretty glad there's some information out there about them.
Anyways, that's that.
|Sunday, July 24th, 2005|
Alexander Schmorell article
I've written an article about Alexander Schmorell, which can be found here
, at OrthodoxWiki
It's all in Russian, but it looks as if there's a book coming out (or which just came out) dealing with Alexander Schmorell's interrogation transcripts and such. (Unfortunately, in Russian.)
I guess we all see what I need to be working on!
|Wednesday, July 6th, 2005|
I was reading the book that goes with the new film on Sophie Scholl. (I know, I'm slow about working on the webpage, but I haven't forgotten). Anyway, I read something interesting that makes a lot of sense.
Anyway, the legend is that the first four leaflets of the WR came out, and Sophie found out about the WR at first through this. Furthermore, it is said that it was when she was looking in a book of Hans', she realised that he had to have taken part in the writing of the WR leaflets.
HOWEVER, this is very interesting. Before she left for Munich to study in May of 1942, Sophie asked Fritz Hartnagel for 1000RM (Reichsmarks)- a good sum, one could live off that a couple of months - and a procurement note from his military company so that she could get a duplicating machine. He gave her the money, but he didn't manage getting her the procurement note because it would have meant going to somebody else, and Fritz had a feeling that anything that she would be doing with a duplicating machine was probably something that others shouldn't know about this.
What kind of makes the theory stronger for this is that the whole conversation and scene about Sophie finding out about the WR came from Inge Scholl's book "The White Rose". As Ulrich Chaussy points out, this absolutely HAS to be fictional because it was a conversation that supposedly took place between Hans and Sophie, alone in their apartment. However, even if it had happened, there was no way that Inge would have known about it because the rest of the family knew nothing about the Hans and Sophie in the WR until they were arrested - and therefore there would have been no opportunity to tell them about this encounter before they were executed.
This would have meant that she did, indeed know about leaflets 1-4 (or at least 2-4) when they were coming out. And she did tell the Gestapo that she had been in on it all along... Stuff to think about, in any case.
|Wednesday, June 1st, 2005|
Because I am a geek...
So, anyway, I was updating my White Rose webpage
, and I actually wrote an information page tonight! Anyway, I wanted to get information about the first four leaflets, when, how many, where they were sent from, and where they were sent to. Anyway, I picked up Shattering the German Night
, and I happened upon the passages they have "quoted" from Willi Graf while he was in Russia. As I was reading this, something didn't sit quite right, because at times, I remember stuff straight out of Willi Graf: Briefe und Aufzeichnungen
, and some of it didn't seem as familiar. So I looked in the other book, and lo and behold, I was right... On page 134, in the passage that continues on to page 135, the first part of that passage comes from a letter from 24 September 1942, then is paraphrased for about half a sentence, and then comes from a letter from 29 August 1942, and then, on the next page, goes back to the letter from 24 September.
I don't know, but that just irks me. I'm already kind of annoyed at the way that they edited Alexander Schmorell's last letter from prison. I know this isn't a book with all the footnotes or whatnot, but still... If you're cutting and pasting and paraphrasing, don't present it as a quote from a unified whole. (And now reading their comment about Crime and Punishment
strikes me as a bit - misleading, but oh well, I guess.)
Umm... don't mind me if I'm being too nit-picky here - my copy of "A Noble Treason" also has corrections in the margins in at least one place.
|Wednesday, May 11th, 2005|
White Rose Related...
I came across two fiction books that refer to the White Rose, and I thought some of you might be interested. The White Rose: A Novel by Jean Hanff Korelitz
From Amazon:Korelitz, known for her intelligent thrillers (The Sabbathday River, etc.), strikes off in a new direction with this mordant story of aging, love and self-discovery, a reimagining of the Strauss opera Der Rosenkavalier set in upper-class Jewish New York City. Marian Kahn, gracefully aging at 48, is a respected history professor at Columbia, author of a bestselling book of popular history and solidly ensconced in a satisfactory if not brilliant marriage when suddenly she's swept away by the wild but dangerous joy of an affair with the son of her oldest friend. Twenty-six-year-old Oliver, owner of a flower shop called the White Rose, is truly in love, but when he meets graduate student and heiress Sophie Klein, the fiancée of Marian's pompous cousin, Barton Ochstein, he's blindsided and must question his still strong love for Marian. Sophie is swept away, too, by the knowledge that she may want something more out of life than the academic satisfaction she derives from the study of her own White Rose, a group of German dissidents who agitated against the Nazis. The belief that love always involves sacrifice and is worth the sacrifice it demands drives this warm, worldly novel. Even when their own comfort is at stake, Korelitz's characters succumb to generous impulses, making this a satisfying, emotionally rich read. The Blood of the Roses by Alex Gabbard.
There are no publisher reviews listed for this one, but it appears to be a fictional account of Hans and Sophie Scholl.
Anyone read these books or familiar with them? Current Mood: dorky
|Tuesday, April 5th, 2005|